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    DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    Road safety, and the lack of it for cyclists has always been a popular subject in the MTBrider forums. The generally held view is that most car drivers has no understanding of what it's like to be cyclist on the roads and fail to give them enough space when over taking, often failing to see them altogether.

    Recently I've discussed the matter with several PSNI officers and they say that view is echo'd within the services personal: Car drivers 9/10 times do not give cyclists enough due care and consideration on the roads often resulting in casualties. And it's not hard to work who the casualty is going to be in a cyclist/car incident!

    But, if a bus advertising campaign is to be taken at face value the DOE (Department Of The Environment) feel it's the cyclists themselves who bring most accidents on themselves due to "careless inattention".



    The DOE's Pedestrians & Cyclists section of their website has scant information on, well anything really, other than backing up this assertion and broadening it to also include pedestrians:

    "In 2005 a total of 1,208 fatalities and serious injuries occurred in Northern Ireland as a result of road traffic collisions. Pedestrians accounted for 17% of that total and cyclists 2%.
    Pedestrians were responsible for the vast majority of the fatal and serious pedestrian injuries. Thirty nine percent were attributed to a pedestrian not paying attention to traffic when crossing a carriageway, 12% were due to pedestrian consumption of alcohol or drugs, 8% were cases in which the pedestrain's movement was masked by, for example, a parked car and 12% were due to inattention or attention diverted"

    It might be argued that the single biggest cause of both pedestrian and cyclists road death is due too much speed and too little attention by car drivers, but a quick look at the car sections of the website list many directives and consultations aimed at reducing car incidents and related deaths, but little to no mention of these two key issues. One could go so far as to say, on the face of it, drivers are told accidents are normally due to circumstances outside your control whilst all pedestrians and cyclists are told is that any accident is most likely your own fault.

    The only thing for sure, with such messages as that on the back of the bus being sent out to drivers cyclists should not expect things on the road to get any safer or better any time soon.


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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    oh man what kind of stupid logic is that ad? palm to face….

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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    Perhaps better wording required but I took it that it was the drivers inattention that they were talking about?

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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    hmmmm definite face-palm moment! What exactly does it mean, are cyclists or motorists not paying enough attention? It could be misconstrued either way to be honest. Clearly not the message that they should be sending out.

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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    That's half the problem, just who is it aimed at? Initially I thought it's aimed at cyclists, but that might just be the cyclist in me. The fatc it's called "Cycle Aware" not "Drive Aware" says to me it's actually aimed at cyclists.

    It's extremely ambiguous, which is bad enough in it self, but go read up on the DOE website and it seems pretty clear that the DOE are of the opinion that most pedestrian and cyclist casualties are the fault of the pedestrian/cyclist NOT other road users.

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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    Careless Inattention? As opposed to Careful Inattention? Or Careless Attention?

    The people who write these things need to go and re-learn the use of English.

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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    I see that sign a lot. I wouldn't read that as being aimed at anybody other than non-cyclists

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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    They've probably based it on Some of the cycling I see going on down in town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barry_kellett99 View Post
    They've probably based it on Some of the cycling I see going on down in town.
    You may have a point Barry.
    I have to take the car to work these days (nursery run) and the quality of cycling I see around me is shocking. I'd hate to think I rode my bike like some of the eejits I encounter...

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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    If you notice their riding then its almost a given that you ride with a bit of respect for other road users.

    The again, if anyone wants to see some inattentive driving, watch this! (Stolen from STW)


    There are some cracker follow clips on the thread showing that assclowns come on 2 wheels as well as 4. The fella who headbutts the back of a bus is my own personal favourite..
    http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/youtube-cyclist-knocked-off-bike



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    Quote Originally Posted by beechill_banty View Post
    You may have a point Barry.
    I have to take the car to work these days (nursery run) and the quality of cycling I see around me is shocking. I'd hate to think I rode my bike like some of the eejits I encounter...
    I agree, but even so, it's the wrong message aimed at the wrong people in the wrong place. If the DOE are genuinely interested in improving cycling why advertise at drivers? Whichever way you spin it it is saying to drivers "don't give a feck about cyclists as no matter what happens it'll be their fault".

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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    Quote Originally Posted by barry_kellett99 View Post
    If you notice their riding then its almost a given that you ride with a bit of respect for other road users.

    The again, if anyone wants to see some inattentive driving, watch this! (Stolen from STW)


    There are some cracker follow clips on the thread showing that assclowns come on 2 wheels as well as 4. The fella who headbutts the back of a bus is my own personal favourite..
    http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/youtube-cyclist-knocked-off-bike


    That is one unlucky rider. Or, VERY lucky, considering the dopey cow in the car missed him and only got the bike.

    I used to commute in central London, did it for nearly ten years, before the congestion charge. At the time London was almost gridlocked at rush hour, it was fun

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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    Quote Originally Posted by Steveb View Post
    I agree, but even so, it's the wrong message aimed at the wrong people in the wrong place. If the DOE are genuinely interested in improving cycling why advertise at drivers? Whichever way you spin it it is saying to drivers "don't give a feck about cyclists as no matter what happens it'll be their fault".
    Totally agree on the actual campaign.
    I would like to see the police do more about dangerous driving and cycling, but resources probably don't allow it. They were out on monday night pulling people whizzing up the bus lane on the ormeau road. Good to see, but the last time i seen it happening was about 2 years ago.
    Then again, the doziest road users of all are generally pedestrians. There are so many of them and so many of them pay zero attention to whats going on around them.

    Does Jay Walking even exist in the UK?

    Quote Originally Posted by Steveb View Post
    That is one unlucky rider. Or, VERY lucky, considering the dopey cow in the car missed him and only got the bike.
    You may have missed it, as its quite a long vid, but she finally whines that she didnt see him (Clearly) and she thought she had clipped the kerb. Not sure what Kerbs are made of round there, but i'm pretty sure they dont fall off and get dragged for a few feet under your car and shout "OI, OH FCUK" etc etc
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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    I would like to see the police do more about dangerous driving and cycling, but resources probably don't allow it. They were out on monday night pulling people whizzing up the bus lane on the ormeau road.

    This really jacks me off. Every morning i cycle past the Ormeau bus lane which is meant to be open from 7.30am-9.30am. Every morning whether it be 7.40am or 8.40am the bus lane is bumper to bumper with cars. Surely the PSNI must be aware of this and it would an easy hit for them.

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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    Quote Originally Posted by marko View Post
    Every morning whether it be 7.40am or 8.40am the bus lane is bumper to bumper with cars. Surely the PSNI must be aware of this and it would an easy hit for them.
    coming up to shift change for them - all back at the station - seriously.

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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    After a recent trip to Amsterdam where cycling around is hugely popular, I can't help but feel it's not really the drivers and cyclists that need talking to, but instead safer cycling lanes (eg. kerbed lanes separate from the road dedicated to the use of bikes) need to be implemented. Cycling lanes over here are pretty s**t mostly, let's be honest, especially when you compare them to what I seen abroad! Anyway, I do think that despite how vulnerable cyclists are there is no harm in being extra vigilant. Cars etc outnumber cyclists by a ridiculous amount, so I do think it's down to cyclists to be extra vigilant when they're out and about. At the end of the day, it'll do no harm and may well give a cyclist enough time to hop off and out of the way of an idiotic driver.

    And Mr Kellett what happened to that London cyclist was mental! The woman in that Focus is a retard... how in the name of Zeus she didn't see or notice what was happening I don't know!!
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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    I just take the helicopter to work now, peasants.

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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    Doesnt say much for RealCycles when they are sponsoring the advertising lol

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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    Quote Originally Posted by MREGAN View Post
    Doesnt say much for RealCycles when they are sponsoring the advertising lol
    Think about it. The more bikes gets destroyed as in that video, the more bikes we sell.

    Simples.

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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    last thing you see as the bus cuts you up and you go under the wheels

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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    I want to see the statistics that DOE are using to imply it is the cyclists fault. Who do you write to request this information?

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    I'd imagine the DOE are the best place to start. Ask for the statistics office.


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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    Just a point no-one seems to have stated so far; I reckon this poster could mean that cyclists need to 'cycle aware', because 'most cyclist casualties are due to careless inattention' of drivers.

    To be honest guys, don't get all on the high horse that cyclists are being hard done by here, asking for statistics and all that is a tad ridiculous. Each to there own, so if you really feel the need then fair enough, but seems like a bit much. Even the title of this thread is very presumptuous imo.

    Just chill your beans and take care on the roads, that's the main message here, not that DOE are bunch of nonse's out to get cyclists!

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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    All this cycling on roads business, as we should all know by now is nonsense. Silly silly nonsense. Why don't we just



    Try the train? Have you ever wanted to be running late, locked in a metal box that stinks of piss with 300 depressed people and more than few tramps and psychos. ? Baaaaaaaam!! Train!!. Sorted.

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    Speedfreak: read the full thread. And the first post. And maybe the cyclist page on the DOE site.

    Lol@JJ.


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    Balls to the train. Get a hi ace

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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    Quote Originally Posted by chris_the_sham View Post
    Balls to the train. Get a hi ace
    Either way, less of this riding on roads business.

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    Re: DOE says cyclists bring most car related casualties on themselves!

    Have you ever wanted to be locked in a metal box that stinks of piss with a psycho tramp? Try a Hi-Ace

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris_the_sham View Post
    Balls to the train. Get a hi ace
    I really fancy a Mazda Bongo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JAC View Post
    Have you ever wanted to be locked in a metal box that stinks of piss with a psycho tramp? Try a Hi-Ace
    Dont stop for hitch hikers and your hi ace will smell fine

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