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MTBrider
November 29-2005, 04:31 PM
Several months ago the fully funded CAAN proposals for off road cycling trail development got killed off by Forest Services refusal to engage in a meaningful way. This lead to the loss of nearly £3m pounds worth of inward investment that would have gone directly into our forests to build trails and help to develop rural economies, tourism and environmental activities.

Interesting then that Lord Rooker, the man in charge of Forest Services is now inviting applications to help spend nearly £3m pounds worth of government funding earmarked for the development of environmental and rural activities.

According to a BBC report: The government has £3m to boost rural development, but applicants have only three weeks to apply for the money.

The cash was earmarked for a project which has fallen through, and Lord Rooker urged relevant bodies to apply.

He said bodies engaged in developing environmental activities or those interested in developing tourism and craft activities could take advantage.

"This opportunity to bid has become available as a result of decommittment of funds," he said.

He said the competition was designed to address both the "needs and the opportunities for specific sectors of the rural economy, environment or society".

"In particular the department is keen to receive well-developed proposals from organisations representing or targeting women, youth, the long-term unemployed, farmers and farm families," he said.

He said that the initial expression of interest forms have to be lodged by 16 December.

CAAN spent several years putting together their highly detailed proposals, gathering the required funding and conducting several feasabilities studies with leading accountancy firms (all of which gave the project the go ahead). Regardless Rooker and his merry men turned the project down without serious consideration and so the money was lost. Anyone now wanting to access this funding has less than three weeks to do the same job. A tall order in anyones book.

It is worth mentioning also that many members of Club MTBrider have been in touch with Mr. Rookers office by letter and email over the last few months questioning exactly why he threw the CAAN proposals out and what he plans to replace them with, however to date nothing of any substance has been forthcoming in the way of a proper reply, save several hundred standard "cut n paste" letters all of which competely fail to address our issues.

Rest assured however that we will not give up until at the very least Mr. Rooker has granted us at least one of our many requests and given us a face to face meeting, whereby he can explain in person why the people of NI are treated like 2nd class citizens to those in the rest of the UK regards off road cycling facilities.

graeme
November 29-2005, 04:38 PM
expression of interest doesn't need to be a detailed proposal i take it?

Steveb
November 29-2005, 04:46 PM
Who knows, complete lack of actual info as ever from this master of avoiding the issue. Like why the hell has he left it til 3 weeks before the deadline before making some noise about this?

Honestly, the fact that the man can get out of the house in the morning amazes me, he and his dept show such a staggering inability to organise anything correctly I'm surprised he can even find his tooth brush and get himself dressed in the morning.

graeme
November 29-2005, 04:50 PM
resubmit the caan proposal?

timH
November 29-2005, 04:54 PM
What could we do with 3M in Belvoir?

Conor, should get a few locals together and try for some cash for Moneyscalp.

Steveb
November 29-2005, 04:54 PM
I think it is an assumption that this is the same money, although I do think it's a fair assumption to make, regardless if Rooker and the FS were serious about supporting MTBing they would have long since been in touch with interested parties to tell them about this funding.

The fact they haven't, and no one from the club has been told about it in the many letters Rookers office has sent to them does lead you to only one conclusion: They are not interestied in supporting MTBer's or for that matter any forest user groups.

marko
November 29-2005, 04:58 PM
yea, closed ears towards mountain bikers! I guess they will make a nice family walk somewhere with pretty benches and flowers........sounds alot like castlewellan lake and Tollymore forest but i guess you can never have enough family walks.

thetrailbuilder
November 29-2005, 05:05 PM
that's a kick in the nads, rooker needs kidnapped and tied to a tree in spooky woods, with his eyes selotaped open, the man is blind

Conor
November 29-2005, 05:18 PM
Conor, should get a few locals together and try for some cash for Moneyscalp.

Agreed. I don't think there'd be a shortage of volunteers either.

But problem is the tree felling... no point building sustainable trails designed to last for years if the trees are going to be gone in a couple...

But there are many other possiblities in the area.

talk about this in the pub?

timH
November 29-2005, 05:24 PM
The advantage of Scalp is that bikes are allowed there already.

AndyB
November 29-2005, 06:17 PM
As far as I'm aware none of the money for the CAAN proposal,was from central government, it was primarily from the european fund for peace and reconcilliation (peace2) with a few local councils and the tourist board and sports council chipping in.
so this is almost certainly 'different money'
A.

Zig
November 29-2005, 08:23 PM
could Caan not resubmit their original outline proposals again ?

Even if its 'different money' i doubt anyone else could come up with fresh proposals in time

But maybe Caan has had their fill of Forest services

marko
November 29-2005, 10:35 PM
moneyscalp is not a sustainable area for mountain biking, nearly half of the back side of the hill has been felled, this will be replanted and fenced off for several years. The rest of the forest is also to be cut out so trial development is pointless at moneyscalp for the next 10-15 years i would say!

andyh
December 02-2005, 12:09 PM
In my book this comes directly under the heading ABDICATING YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES. Obviously DARD have the funds to build mountain bike facilities similar to those in GB built by Forestry Commission what they lack is the WILL (not to mention now how) to do it.

In a nutshell they are going to give somoene 3M to do something on their land because they can't be arsed

The reason they have left it to the 11th hour is so no-one applies in time and they can syphon it off to pay for more 'administration'

Zig
December 02-2005, 12:50 PM
I dont really see the problem of Fs outsourcing the building of trails ..

Surely it is better for the FS to spend £3M getting a contractor to do it than wasting £3M trying to do it themselves and then finding out they made a mess of it ?

I agree that by leaving it to a few weeks before the deadline they are unlikely to get many proposals.

thetrailbuilder
December 02-2005, 12:53 PM
who gets the contracts in scotland/eng/wales to build trails??

graeme
December 02-2005, 03:20 PM
I agree that by leaving it to a few weeks before the deadline they are unlikely to get many proposals.


All the more money for you guys to build trails with if you submit some proposals!!!

Go ahead, they can only say no!

andyh
December 02-2005, 03:40 PM
I dont really see the problem of Fs outsourcing the building of trails ..

Surely it is better for the FS to spend £3M getting a contractor to do it than wasting £3M trying to do it themselves and then finding out they made a mess of it ?



There isn't a problem with outsourcing, apart from the fact that they aren't.

If they are going to get a contractor then they need to have a project, but they haven't got a project.

We're not suggesting they get out there and physically build the things but we are insisting they provide mountain bike trails of equal diversity and standard to GB.

For this to be achieved it needs a co-ordinated strategic approach not just a few small agreements to pacify the locals.

How and Who doesn't interest me, that they put there energy into making it happen rather than obstructing it is key.

andyh
December 02-2005, 03:42 PM
who gets the contracts in scotland/eng/wales to build trails??

It varies quite a bit, although they do have quite a lot of internal specialists. I could get a list of any externals quite quickly from friends in FE.