derren brown lotto

[thetrailbuilder]

surprised this hasnt been posted yet, how you think he did it?

i say it was a similar system to his betting winning system, think its done by illiminating all the combinations that are unlikly like, 1,2,3,4 etc, 10,20,30 ect, getting a batch of the most common numbers and likly combinations, and by using probability and waiting for ages, on a certain date he would get it correct, he did say it had taken over a year..

[Zig]

surprised this hasnt been posted yet, how you think he did it?

i say it was a similar system to his betting winning system, think its done by illiminating all the combinations that are unlikly like, 1,2,3,4 etc, 10,20,30 ect, getting a batch of the most common numbers and likly combinations, and by using probability and waiting for ages, on a certain date he would get it correct, he did say it had taken over a year..

But he didn't televise all his previous tries, would be very fortuanate if he happened to televise the correct one (Bit like winning the lottery)

There are all sorts of theories bouncing about but none of them really seem to stack up...


All will be revealed on friday :rolleyes:

So we can all share the lottery on saturday

[thetrailbuilder]

yes he didnt televise the previous tries, but by his probability formaula that date and try would work

[monty]

surprised this hasnt been posted yet, how you think he did it?

i say it was a similar system to his betting winning system, think its done by illiminating all the combinations that are unlikly like, 1,2,3,4 etc, 10,20,30 ect, getting a batch of the most common numbers and likly combinations, and by using probability and waiting for ages, on a certain date he would get it correct, he did say it had taken over a year..

If it's completely random, how is it more unlikely to get a certain set of numbers than another?

[thetrailbuilder]

if it was completly random, then every number in the lotto would of appeared the same amout of times, this is not the case, continuity is not random. there are numbers more likly to come out than others going by pased draws.

[mprules]

Id say its more likely trick of eye , ie the fact that "bbc have the legal right too show the lottery first" etc

[Steveb]

if it was completly random, then every number in the lotto would of appeared the same amout of times,

Erm, surely if every number had appeared exactly the same amount of times that would prove it's entirely not random?

[Tiff]

Erm, surely if every number had appeared exactly the same amount of times that would prove it's entirely not random?

no, it proves it is complety random. Statistics become more accurate the more they are repeated.

Eg, toss a coin twice, you are quite likely to get either 2 heads or 2 tails. Statisticaly this means that you are 100% likely to get heads.

If you toss a coin 100 times, if may be 48:52 tails:head ratio

toss a coin 10000 times tho and the percentage will become much closer to the expected 50:50 result

The lotto has been going long enough now to rule out any anomolies and provide reliable data due to the massive amount of repitition involved

[jimjam]

Surely if there was no trick he would have/ should have bought a ticket to prove he knew. He could donate it to charity yada yada.

[Ozzy]

Of course it is a trick, his whole career is based on tricks of the mind, illusions etc, as he said himself. If he could really predict the lottery numbers he would do it, feck off to the Maldives and live a life of wicked excesses, like any other normal human being!!

[AndyL]

I reckon he filmed a lot of possible results, then showed the one that actually came closest to the right numbers. He kept saying it was " a year's work" (it'd take a year to get them all I'd say) and that he might get only 4 of the numbers (maybe he didn't have time to do all the permutations) He turns the telly on and it warms up... When was the last time you saw a tv do that. He also doesn't react to each ball when it comes out, as he cant be sure of the exact timings when the balls come out in the pre recording. He uses the bonus ball as the buffer time to make it look slicker. On average, the 6 balls will come out in roughly the same time (stats again) but each individual ball may take a little longer or shorter that another, so he cant react to the individual balls. The lottery times are fixed too, so he knows when to sync in his timings.

A bit of careful editing and a feed onto a blue screen set up to look like a telly might have explained the "live" BBC feed. And to say he had to wait till after the bbc revealed the numbers before he could reveal the numbers was tripe, they were only his predictions, and one mans guess is as good as any other (see the statistics section nicely explained by Tiff). All they had to do was cue up the correct bit of footage from a hard drive once the balls started to come out (First ball cuts down the numbers of final clips, then the second even more and so on) so when the last ball comes out, the correct footage is shown, then off we go...

It's a trick, and its a good 'un. My theory only by the way, I'm guessing like the rest of us!

[Kel]

here's your answer

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1212370/How-did-THAT-Derren-Brown-predicts-winning-lottery-numbers--hell-reveal-method-Friday.html

[simon]

split screen image and someone with a bag full of 49 balls, do you realise how long it would take too fill all possiilitys at say 30 seconds per possibility? It is a very simple tv trick, if he did it with a live audience or showed the numbers before the bbc drew them then it would be pretty mental

not exactly rocket science

[barry_kellett99]

split screen image and someone with a bag full of 49 balls, do you realise how long it would take too fill all possiilitys at say 30 seconds per possibility? It is a very simple tv trick, if he did it with a live audience or showed the numbers before the bbc drew them then it would be pretty mental

not exactly rocket science

He showed how he did it last night Simon, did you not see it?

The solution was better than any of the insane guesses at how he did it

[mprules]

You mean the whole crazy non working mathematics?

[barry_kellett99]

I think his best trick was winding up so many "mathematicians" - and that was his goal all along


;)

[monty]

So if his theory is correct, that group of people will be able to win, every week for the rest of their lives now.. :rolleyes:

[JAC]

Fortunately he covered that. If they think they might win, they won't. Basic maths really.:rolleyes:

[keyserni]

Most of his predicting the future tricks have an explanation based on psychology and preparing the participants correctly. After all that all you need is a small time delay. Remember if you watch a tv channel using it’s analogue signal and then right beside it watch a the same channel using it’s digital signal the digital signal will lag a couple of seconds because of the extra time needed to encode and decode the signal. Now I’m not saying that’s exactly it because they are still loads of questions just using that as an example of how there are already time delays in the broadcast system he could have exploited.

All it takes after that to get the numbers on to the balls is tricks magicians have been doing for centuries.

[mprules]

E-ink in the balls and its a trick that i could achieve!

[Aul Han]

Derren Brown predicts the lotto? Really, When? Thats not what I saw ont telly!! - I saw a modern day Paul Daniels dupe the audience, whilst advertising the lotto and generally talking crap.

Rubbish.