Makes you think...

[penguinni]

This is something that you just pray never happens.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDOmwjgKBcI

[dirty dawg]

Dark. But so real

[bikerben]

the baby scared the crap outa me

[NiallC771]

Death in proportion should hold no dominion in everyday life, however, this video really does make you imagine the unthinkable. Ironic.

[JAC]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

I think it's sad that people are so switched off in their thinking that they have to be graphically shown what the consequences of their actions could be. What happened to thinking for yourself?

[Dee205]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

I think it's sad that people are so switched off in their thinking that they have to be graphically shown what the consequences of their actions could be. What happened to thinking for yourself?

Probably because most people have the idea that bad things happen to other people, not themselves.

[JAC]

I think the best solution is just to ban teenagers

[Dee205]

Best thing to do is take them to a fatal RTC scene. Not a pleasent sight. Especially if you've seen the deceased a few hours before enjoying themselves...

[bikerben]

i think they should make a law that wen u get to a certain age in ur life that ur made to reset a driving test because some off the older people on the road just shouldnt be there. plus ive always been told that u have to drive for other people on the road.

[trailfox]

Alot of younger drivers drive pretty well tbh, sometimes abiding the law alot better than more experienced drivers, its the few ****y ones that get themselves killed that cause a blanket prejudice but a few are still worth educating than letting more people die. I watch a load of other more mature drivers (+30yr olds) who make some seriously stupid manuvers and then complain to my parents that how can they not do (insert proper manuver procedure) and they just reply when you get your lisence and a few years behind you you get lazy. Alot of the time im watching out for other people hitting me than me hitting them.

[bikerben]

Too rite trailfox

[Kona Rab]

I a not so sure there TF.

I consider myself to be a younger driver ;), and I used to work in a rally school for 6-7 years and I always hated taking a group of young drivers (17-20's).

They seamed to think that they where the best drivers in the world but couldn't drive their finger up their own ar*e even if it was sign posted. Worst thing was, when you tired to help them or explain what they where doing wrong they just blanked you and continued doing what they wanted.

[Dee205]

There's very few perfect drivers out there but you can't argue with facts....
Drivers between the age of 17-25, especially young men are 3 times more likely to be killed of injured on our roads. Statistics prove this.
Like other lads I grew up with a drove around with when I was younger, we all thought we were invincible, the best driver on the road, I'm in the right and every other driver is wrong.. At least 5 of them didn't make it past 25..

[young walsh]

Arghhhhhhh @ 3.07 modded 4 door Nova.
Just wrong :banghead:

[trailfox]

I a not so sure there TF.

I consider myself to be a younger driver ;), and I used to work in a rally school for 6-7 years and I always hated taking a group of young drivers (17-20's).

They seamed to think that they where the best drivers in the world but couldn't drive their finger up their own ar*e even if it was sign posted. Worst thing was, when you tired to help them or explain what they where doing wrong they just blanked you and continued doing what they wanted.

Maybe a lot of those were the few I said that act like their invincible etc. there still are 17-20's that use most of the thinking part of their brain when driving and thats no need to paint everyone with the same brush.
Dont get me wrong, im not deliberately being nieve, I know at least 5 people who have been in an accident with a car, ranging from whiplash to near as dead. But not everyone who crashes does so because of invincibilty syndrome.

[bikerben]

get the old peeps off the road would be alot safer than instead of driving a 20mph fs lol

[Steveb]

The old boy driving at 20 has possible been driving for 50 years with no accidents. The reason he drives slow is he's worked out his own limitations and the fact that speed kills.

The absolute fact is the more you do something the better you get at it. Ypu can not argue with this simple fact.

By the time I was 21 I'd had 3 crashes, one serious. I worked out I wasn't as good as I thought I was so I slowed down. I now know I'm not a very good driver so I don't go very fast. I've not had even a scrape in 22 years. But that's as much to do with the fact I've the experience behind the wheel to pre-empt things as it is I just don't drive that quickly.

As I said, the more you do something the better you get at It, so older drivers will almost always be better than younger drivers, no matter how much younger drivers convince themselves otherwise (see above!)

[bikerben]

they shouldnt be on the road driving at 20mph tho so ur sayin a man that sits right up against the window wearin 3 inch think glasses how can barely walk can drive better than a young man or women who has just past there test i dont agree but then again every one is in tilted to there own say

[Steveb]

get the old peeps off the road


so ur sayin a man that sits right up against the window wearin 3 inch think glasses how can barely walk can drive better than a young man or women who has just past there test

Hmm, you've changed the profile of your old peep quite a bit there! He started off as just old and slow, now he's blind & crippled. Poor bloke, he'll be dead in your next post.

But even so, ya I bet the bloke you profile in the end post can still drive better than many of the kids getting licenses today. Being a good driver is not only about being able to control a car, it's about having the experience to pre-empt situations, think ahead, anticipate what the other driver/walker/rider is going to do and above all having courtesy to other users.

[TrixR4kidz]

The problem starts when young folk pass their test (beit car or bike). They automatically assume they are good drivers for passing, but the reality is, they have aquired the bare minimum standard to be legal on the roads. I'd say it takes a good few years experience for most drivers to become competent (some never reach this level).

I partly agree with Steve here, as the more you do something, the more familiar and comfortable you become. This doesn't necessarliy translate into 'good' as many drivers are honing their bad habits. I think you have to want to become a better driver to do it, and being better doesn't mean faster. Learning to ride a motorbike taught me much more about driving on the road than driving a car ever did and I would make it compulsory for everyone to pass a bike test (and ride for a few years) before being allowed behind the wheel.

[chucky]

I think the attitudes of everyone here, is proof of the problems that there are.

Most young people thinks their great and a safer driver than most young people.

Most old people think that young people are a danger to themselves and others.

All old people have been young.

Personally the key factor is not down to age, its down to driving experiance. Normally the older you are the more driving experiance you've had. Roads are very dangerous, it takes a split second error of judgement to destroy countless lives no matter who you are, or no matter who's at fault.

Just be careful, and treat everyone the same.

[Steveb]

I partly agree with Steve here,


Can I get that in writing?

[Michael]

Passing my bike test and the riding experience gained thereafter (inc. PSNI Bikesafe) certainly lifted my level of driving. Yes driving can get worse as you get older but its like biking - you have to work at the training/skills.

[rochey]

I agree with some of what Steve says. I've more than my fair share of crashes. One of them involved the Westlink wall and me going out through the windscreen and then back in the windscreen. Finishing with the jaws of life and 3 months of rehab! All because some 17 year old passed his test and for some reason he thought he got his advanced racing car licence the same day! And yes old folks do drive slow, my Granda is the most infuriating driver in the world, but 60 odd years with 1 scrape is some going!

Patience is a virtue that I have learned by wrecking myself and countless expensive fast cars. Its dangerous to think that you won't hurt or be hurt with driving fast and showing off! I won't even start about phones,drink or drugs!!!

[MrNuts]

All old people have been young.




Thats how we know young drivers are dangerous.

I travel 40kpa and have averaged over 20kpa since passing my test in 1987, all drivers are dangerous, in the early days you had to control your car more, no ABS, no airbags, no traction control and no distractions inside the car bar turning over the cassette when it got to the end, then someone invented auto reverse tapes and you could keep on going.

I think half the problems today for alldrivers is that because we have abs, side impact bars, 10 airbags, traction control with DSC and blindspot detectors we are complacent with our mobile phones, GPS and MP3 players that we feel invincible, the video demonstrated with frightening clarity how a blink of the eye off the road can cause so much hardship.

I have an MP3, two phones and GPS and am only too aware how fast the car is in front is stopping when your doing a course correction on your tomtom, and i wouldn't class myself as young, though i don't look my age.

[Steveb]

I partly agree with Steve here,


I agree with some of what Steve says.

**** me, this is some sort of a record. Two people actually part agreeing with me, ON THE SAME THREAD!

I'm inclined to make this thread a sticky, just to prove it really happened.

I agree Kev, the gismos we have in our cars to keep them going in the right direction means many people now have no idea how to control a car when it goes tits up.

I think also though a big problem is distractions outside the car. Nowadays you have hi vis signs, brightly lit shop signs, billboards, flashing warning signs and loads of other crap all begging for our attention when we should be looking ahead.

I don't really like to drive myself and my wife is not a good passenger so she tends to drive most of the time, which suits me fine. BUT, the amount of time she spends looking out of the side window is scary. I'll glance away for a second or two when driving then focus back on the road ahead, she'll look at stuff and not realise she's just traveled 100 feet without even looking forward.

Thing is, she's my age and been driving the same amount of time, so how does the whole young V's old thing work there? Oh ya, she's a woman driver, that explains it ;-)

[jimjam]

I've got no abs, no traction control, no airbags and 2.5 tonnes of tail happy metal. I'm a sh*t driver, but I'm better than most :)

[JAC]

Breaking with tradition here, I'm gonna agree with Jimjam instead of Steve.

Driving vehicles which require more concentration to keep them in a straight line on the road does tend to make for a better driver. You're more aware of what the vehicle is capable of and how best to utilise its best qualities & overcome its weaknesses. It also forces you to be aware of road conditions & other road users. I have licenses for motorbikes (which taught me to be wary of other drivers & bad road conditions), buses (which taught me that I have a responsibility for other peoples safety) and cars (which taught me I can be comfortable).

Perhaps a broader range of training would be a better learning experience for new drivers?

[jimjam]

Perhaps a broader range of training would be a better learning experience for new drivers?

Learners should er......learn to control a car in adverse conditions. They should experience what a vehicle does when you stomp on the brakes at 60mph, not 25mph.

They should experience what it feels like to have the back end step out when you hit a patch of diesel or when your clutch release bearing goes skew wiff and unexpectedly dumps a load of torque on you by suprise, and you should be FORCED as part of the driving test to drive straight over a cat/fox/dog in the middle of the road rather than rolling the bloody car.

[Steveb]

And you should be forced to have a head on with a 4x4 pickup. So you know to avoid getting in their way in future.

[jimjam]

Agree 100%.

[TrixR4kidz]

Can I get that in writing?

Nope. My twin brother TwixR4kidz logged in as me by mistake, and he can't read so didn't know what you wrote - therefore his partial agreement with you holds no water. A series of coincidences conspired to fool you into thinking you were almost right about something. Sorry Steve, not today :p

[Steveb]

Nope. My twin brother TwixR4kidz logged in as me by mistake, and he can't read so didn't know what you wrote - therefore his partial agreement with you holds no water. A series of coincidences conspired to fool you into thinking you were almost right about something. Sorry Steve, not today :p

Figured :-(

Twix. Two fingers of fun. Hmmm.

[mprules]

After driving back from tolly on a very wet sunday afternoon i can tell you that age doesn't really come into it, i had around 6 people overtake me of all ages on the road from castlewellan to spa (not a big road for those not knowing) and on all occasions nearly got the front of my car taken off me.

imho 44-50 on that road on a wet day is more than quick enough they disagreed and decided that they would overtake on blind dips/corners