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beechill_banty
May 13-2009, 06:36 PM
You couldn't make it up.

Unlicensed killer driver escapes prison because cyclist wasn't wearing a helmet

CTC – the UK’s national cyclists’ organisation has condemned a judge’s decision to reduce the sentence handed down to a driver because the cyclist he killed wasn’t wearing a helmet.

Denis Moore, 50, collided with cyclist James Jorgensen, 55, last September on a roundabout in Seaham, County Durham. Jorgensen died 8 days later of severe head injuries. Although the court was told that Moore was only driving at around 20mph, Moore’s solicitor acknowledged that his client had suffered a “momentary lapse of concentration”.

At Durham Crown Court last Friday, Judge Richard Lowden gave Moore a 24-week suspended prison sentence. He said the fact that Jorgensen had not been wearing a helmet was a “mitigating factor” and Moore’s sentence would be reduced accordingly. The judge reached this decision without hearing any evidence about the effectiveness of helmets, or whether a helmet would have made any difference to Jorgensen’s injuries.

CTC’s Campaigns & Policy Manager Roger Geffen said: “My first thoughts are for Mr Jorgensen’s family. I cannot imagine how they must be feeling. If bereavement wasn’t enough, they now have a Judge effectively saying Jorgensen himself was partly to blame for his own death, simply because he wasn’t wearing a helmet. There are still serious doubts about the effectiveness of cycle helmets, particularly in preventing serious or fatal injuries, and there is no law requiring cyclists to wear them. This sentence is an extraordinary example of a judge blaming the victim for his own death”.

The decision comes just over 100 days after a civil law case where High Court Judge Griffith Williams gave his opinion that in principle, cyclists without helmets could face reduced damages if it were shown that a helmet would have prevented or reduced their injuries. In the case he was considering, however, he concluded that a helmet would not have prevented the serious injuries suffered by cyclist Robert Smith due to a collision with motorcyclist Michael Finch.

The Government is currently reassessing the evidence on cycle helmets as part of a wider study on cyclists’ safety, in a tacit acknowledgement that the evidence about their effectiveness is still far from clear. The interim findings of the helmet part of the study are expected next month, with a final report due out by the end of the year.

mattmcafee
May 13-2009, 06:41 PM
if it was a pedestrain he hit he would of more than likely been charged with manslaughter.

and in all fairness a helmet would probaly not of saved him...

Steveb
May 13-2009, 06:50 PM
The decision comes just over 100 days after a civil law case where High Court Judge Griffith Williams gave his opinion that in principle, cyclists without helmets could face reduced damages if it were shown that a helmet would have prevented or reduced their injuries.

That's fair enough. But, hang on, BUT if it's applied to non helmet wearing cyclists, lets be fair and apply to all people in all situations. If your obese and get an illness due to your size, you should have to pay for NHS treatment. Likewise smokers. If you crash a car and it turns out you were speeding you should have to pay for the car repairs yourself, not use your insurance (thus reducing the cost of car insurance for all).

It's high time people were held accountable for their own actions, but accountability must be even and fair across everyone, not just the easy political target that cyclists are.

rochey
May 13-2009, 07:06 PM
Thing that amused me was the momentary lapse of concentration!!! What if he had of been doing 30mph and kids were crossing the road. Judge would say it was kids fault because they didn't have their D.O.E

rochey
May 13-2009, 07:08 PM
approved dayglo armbands on. "i'm sorry missus I just killed your husband cos my head was up my arse whilst in charge on ton and a half of steel moving at twenty mph"!

geedorah74
May 13-2009, 09:10 PM
If the victim in this case was related to me I'd find the judge and slit his throat therefore hed be partly responsible for his own death. A tad heavy I know but the majority of judges in the UK havent got a clue.

After_You
May 13-2009, 09:26 PM
The article I read mentioned that the driver didn't have a proper license at the time but regularly drove without one...

enthused
May 14-2009, 11:41 AM
Perhaps, in the eyes of the law, you somehow become less human when you get on a bike...

Judges get away with some seriously random bollox.

mc
May 14-2009, 12:34 PM
The problem with anything the CTC says, is it's worded to make it sound as though cyclists are always getting the bad deal.

Perhaps a copy of the article from the local newspaper might change your views -
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/4355384.Man_s_momentary_lapse_caused_death_of_cycl ist/

Fair enough the driver wasn't displaying any L-plates, but it wasn't as though he was driving dangerously, or too fast.

beechill_banty
May 14-2009, 04:00 PM
The problem with anything the CTC says, is it's worded to make it sound as though cyclists are always getting the bad deal.

Perhaps a copy of the article from the local newspaper might change your views -
http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/4355384.Man_s_momentary_lapse_caused_death_of_cycl ist/

Fair enough the driver wasn't displaying any L-plates, but it wasn't as though he was driving dangerously, or too fast.

If someone can show me that cyclists get a good deal in this country, then I'm all ears! I don't think we do.

The man wasn't paying attention and a man died, of course he feels bad about it, but I'm finding it hard to feel sympathy for him. He's going to be back on the road in 2 years when his ban expires. I can't imagine his 8 years on a provisional license and his driving ability are completely unrelated.

barry_kellett99
May 14-2009, 04:11 PM
In all honesty, while wearing a helmet is not compulsory, the speed of the accident was estimated to be 15-20mph, and Without being a full on expert in the field, I am pretty sure a helmet that passed the safety ratings in Britain would have saved that mans life.

Whats the difference in a car accident at 30mph where the driver of the other car isnt wearing a seat belt and ends up through the windscreen with his head opened all over the road?

Who on here has never bumped a car, ever?

chucky
May 14-2009, 04:35 PM
I dont think the fact that the man was/wasnt wearing a helmet should really have had much affect on the outcome, considering it isnt law.

However, i think that outcome of the case would have been correct.

Speedfreak
May 14-2009, 04:35 PM
Have to say I'm thinking the same as mr kellett there. The cyclist is, in a way, the victim of his own demise. Ok, the driver may not have had a full license etc, but neither do I and I can drive a hell of a lot better than a lot of people I know with one...and I'm sure I'm not the only person like that.

One of the main points of wearing a helmet when cycling on the road is to protect your head in case someone drives into you, if you decide not to wear one then you're asking for trouble imo. Say he had have been wearing one and came out of it severely brain damaged...worse or better? At the end of the day at that speed a helmet could very well have made a big difference in the outcome for the cyclist. He died after 8 days in hospital, I'd say he did pretty well despite having no helmet on and getting knocked down by a car! If he had of been wearing a helmet that could have been a couple of nights in the hospital with cuts and bruises.

To put this into perpective, a neighbour of mine was knocked over by a jeep in my town when cycling a week or so ago (I'd say the vehicle was probably doing around the same sort of speed from my experience of traffic going through the town) and now doesn't know who her children are. Circumstances of the crash may be different, but their is no denying a helmet would have made he outcome better for her.

Seems the best thing to do is wear a helmet, better safe than sorry.

mattias-law
May 14-2009, 11:32 PM
they should really make it a law that you have to wear a helmet, the only problem they would have is enforcing it because hardly anyone other that smart people and real cyclists would wear them.

barry_kellett99
May 15-2009, 10:14 AM
There are plenty of arguments against wearing a helmet. It's an individuals choice if they want to or not at the end of the day. If I'm doing 30 or 40 down a hill and a car hits me head on doing at least the same, no cycling helmet in the world is going to help me there.

I'm still a helmet advocate and Speaking from experience I know one lad who recently whacked his head with a helmet on and still been dazed, he could have been in bad shape with out it. And he is an Aul' Hand at the cycling...

JAC
May 15-2009, 08:02 PM
I can't really think of any reasons for not wearing a helmet, apart from aesthetic. It's not like a motorbike helmet which restricts vision, hearing and were heavy when they were made a legal requirement.

That said I'd far rather see people wearing helmets voluntarily, because they see the benefit for themselves, than have it forced on us by law.

And to blame a cyclist for the consequences of not wearing a helmet is ridiculous. If he'd had a broken back would the judge accuse him of negligence for not wearing full body armour?